In time the secret will get out Besson and French Besson Trumpets NOT made by Kanstul Besson and French Besson trumpets have at various times been made in France, London, USA ( Kanstul) and only recently in India. Were parts stockpiled for later assembly and release, so that the s/n is a rather arbitrary way to determine date of manufacture? They also are described as “ Besson” not “F. Kanstul is not keen on supplying serial number info as it takes a lot of time to look them up and the records are patchy on the Besson lines anyway. These were produced as two different fixed bell models, the BA with the A bell, and BB with the B bell. Still comfortable for adults, but also an easier reach for small players, and feels light and perfectly balanced. The International, Classic, and Stamm models are as good as any other pro level instrument by Bach or Yamaha, and the 609 and similar are great as a starter or backup instrument (or even your number one trumpet). Serial Number 102601 circa 1934-49. She thought it was fairly new (it's in great shape), but I immediately suspected that it was probably quite old so I had her show me the serial number which she had never bothered to look at. Kanstul has until recently kept the tradition of the Vintage Besson trumpets alive, and introduced some fine new models. “Meha " was the name of Madame Besson's granddaughter and that is … This site is primarily about the modern Kanstul made French Besson and Besson trumpets. Learn more about our range of Trumpets. They sell for so little money and resale is usually easy so even if you do get caught out you shouldn’t lose much money if you decide to sell it on. The serial number is 488. No responsibility or liability is accepted for the accuracy of this information or for the consequences of its’ use. So, i have learned that trumpet will be a better alternative since you only use your lips and not bother about biting a mouthpiece, plus, free from reed for life. In early 2008 Ferguson Music took delivery of some newly made Kanstul 709 trumpets which seem to be the same instrument. Once correspondent claims to have an F. Besson BE800 model that is Kanstul made, and Ferguson music was selling a Kanstul 800 model in early 2008, so it appears that at least some of the 800 models are Kanstul made Internationals. If you find any errors or have better information then please email me (email on main BE page) The information presented was the best available at the time. C- Trumpet F. Besson Meha by Kanstul Excellent condition. The Internationals in particular seem to be getting more well-known, and the expect used prices have been climbing. This is a seriously good leadpipe and would be a $150-$250 upgrade on a Bach trumpet. Thanks Kanstul for maintaining this link with our trumpeting heritage! The International is the trickiest to identify as some are Kanstul made and some are not. (December) B&S was purchased by and is now are part of the Buffet Group. If you see a 6 digit or longer serial number on a French Besson trumpet I’m guessing that it is not a Kanstul French Besson, but the 609 and similar models may have long serial numbers. http://www.vintagetrumpets.com/meha.shtml. Many non- Kanstul Bessons have 6 digit serial numbers or longer. 0 bids. It deserves a ranking as a professional level instrument and compares very well with Bach or Yamaha pro models. Many non- Kanstul Bessons have 6 digit serial numbers or longer. Im a bassist and i first wanted to shift to Sax, but im having issues with my embochure because of my falsies. The sounds of the greats of our trumpeting past will not be forgotten! Besson 709, 809 Step up intermediate models from the 609. The Meha and Brevete models sold new in shops are Kanstul made but old stock. He played these for many years and only recently (2006) changed to an artist model Yamaha trumpet made to his specifications. serial numbers (serial number) Number used chiefly on paper money and sometimes on limited-issue medals to indicate order of production. Most aren’t reamed out so the gap is too large (depending on the mouthpieces – e.g. The prewar Mehas (approximately serial number 90,000 and prior) are considered more collectible, although both prewar and postwar are eagerly sought after from a playing perspective. Kanstul's @2002; new leadpipe. The original F Besson trumpets are said to have been the inspiration for the now professional standard Bach designs, and this is Kanstul's re-release of their take on the classic F. Besson designs. Besson Meha and Brevete ( Kanstul made) Plenty of these around if you know where to look. If you see a 6 digit or longer serial number on a French Besson trumpet I’m guessing that it is not a Kanstul French Besson , but the 609 and similar models may have long serial numbers. These original French Besson trumpets are now collectors items, and command high prices. Only the International model is of questionable maker. C $1,272.73. Mannufacturing moved to France (Courtois factory in Amboise) and Germany (B&S factory in Markneukirchen). Now i have a question to add into this thread. If you are looking for a used starter instrument or backup trumpet these are the best value for money at the moment, and I respectfully suggest that the Olds Ambassador should be passed over, and similar used Yamaha or Bach models also. 1969 750000 Jun. The International was made by Kanstul and also in the Besson plant in India (more recent models I think). This trumpet has been heavily patched from its previous restoration, including a leadpipe sleeve, on top of first and third slide, on the bell bow, valve casing and on the bell by the valve casing. Serial Numbers Dating a French Besson Meha can be a real crapshoot, given the poor record keeping that occurred during and after World War II. Bell replaced with a Besson Meha. Unfortunately they were out of production for decades until. Mine is s/n 103361 and according to the aforementioned websites was manufactured in 1917. Since we know that all Classic, Stamm, Meha, and Brevete models are Kanstul made there is no need to check their serial numbers. Ending 25 Jan at 6:12PM GMT 3d 17h. Players that own them love them and play them for all styles or music. Formed in 1837, Besson always worked with the best craftsmen and strives to put the best brass instruments into your hand. This trumpet offers the player a nice free blow with a full rich tone. With such a large number of models and long history it can be confusing to figure out which Besson or French Besson instrument you are looking at, if it was Kanstul made, how good it is, and how much it might be worth. 1958 300000 Sep. 1959 350000 Jun. Very nice & extremely old cornet / trumpet "Besson Paris" Serial number 6209! We can recognise your devices to provide you with personalised experiences and advertisements about the devices you use. One picture I have seen looks different to known Kanstul F. Besson Internationals, and have an adjustable 3 rd slide pull instead of the fixed ring (well, assuming it is the correct picture). 202 (December) B&S was purchased by and is now are part of the Buffet Group From 2006, first two digits are the year of manufacture. This … Don’t get me wrong, these non- Kanstul Bessons are all good trumpets, just not as good as the comparable Kanstul ones. The Kanstul 610 is basically the same instrument but newer and rarer and still available new from some shops. Adjusting it can tweak the trumpet performance a bit. Has been a rich source of information on Besson and French Besson trumpets. Do you know if there any studies available on French Bessons ,such as the study by Joe Lill on Chicago Benge trumpets? Sometime around 1998 Kanstul lost or decided not to renew the contract to make some Besson instruments, and the 609 and related lines were terminated. These include the famous Flip Oakes Wild Thing range, the equally famous Callet range, the controversial Zeus range, and the Max trumpet. Kanstul records of the French Besson are better, although for 4 digit serial numbers they overlapped with other brass lines, for example the same serial number could be on a French Besson trumpet, a mellophone, and a custom Callet trumpet. In general people that have played the Stamm Besson consider the A model to be somewhat similar to a Bach 72 with lightweight bell (though maybe it should be considered closer to a Bach 65, but the Bach 65 is so rare most have never played one), and the B model somewhat similar to a Bach 43 with lightweight bell. Here is a silver Besson Meha Bb Trumpet. For the price of a department store trumpet you get a recent model Kanstul made instrument? What is not a mystery is that this horn has been played... a lot. 1971 800000 Jun. Besson “ Stamm” model The French Besson “ Stamm” model was designed in conjunction with jazz artist Marvin Stamm. Besson” or “French Besson”. The Indian made ones do appear to be good instruments anyway. Top Rated Seller Top Rated Seller. If production kept the same rate it would mean that a 94XXX serial would be around 1932. The Besson 609 ranges in price from about $75 to around $300, depending on the specs and condition, though $150 is typical for a lacquer one in very good condition. I have a friend with who bought not too long ago from someone who said it was barely used and the serial number is 16,xxx. Some are still available at closeout prices from shops. Apparently only the model numbers changed. .Note on serial numbers: Zig Kanstul picked up the Callet serial numbers right where they left off with DEG, #4252. Time left 6h 8m left. Schilke mouthpieces go further in as their shank is smaller and are basically OK). Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: Kanstul Besson MEHA serial number question Hello to all, I have a Kanstul made Besson MEHA in Bb with a very low serial number. 1952 80000 Jul. The Model 1070 is something like a Besson Meha that Claude Gordon would have liked. Besson 900 Besson 1000 Besson 1010 or 10-10 Besson 1020 or 10-20 Besson 1110 or 11-10 And the most infamous of all is the “BESSONS” rip-off name applied to fake brass instruments made in India and sold cheap on Ebay. Zig’s career as a brassmaker began in 1952, at F.E. New “discount” prices for the 160/162 models are about $1,200-$1,400. Silver plate finish. Leadpipes The French Besson Stamm models came with aftermarket leadpipes – made by for Najoom by M/K drawing. Any body know of a place on the web that documents the age of these horns? I was guessing prewar, but I didn't imagine it could possibly be from the 1870's. 1993 820xxx parts were sent to Courtois for assembly 1994 manufacture of low brass transferred to B&S, Courtois for cornets and alto horns. This is an original French Besson Meha trumpet. For our purposes you need to know how to spot the non- Kanstul ones. Charlies Brass Works is one, as is Dennis Najoom. 06300012. 7 (Large Bore). Very nice & extremely old cornet / trumpet "Besson Paris" Serial number 6209! Most come with two tuning slides (rounded and square) and a set of normal and heavy valves cups to vary the response and sound a bit. Unfortunately they were out of production. BESSON Bâ™­TRUMPET MEHA Late Model Made 1950 S/N:101394 [SHIBUYA_EAST] C $4,272.78. With such a large number of models and long history it can be confusing to figure out which Besson or French Besson instrument you are looking at, if it was Kanstul made, how good it is, and how much it might be worth. Also, where can i get a cork to replace the water thight seal on the top of the valves. Olds & Son in Los Angeles. 1952 90000 Feb. 1953 100000 Oct. 1953 150000 Aug. 1955 200000 Nov. 1956 250000 Jul. This is a GREAT PLAYING Besson MEHA by Kanstul Bb trumpet. The horn is in absolute mint condition, and I'm confused. I also have an Eterna Getzen (silver) cornet, serial number EC 735, purchased used in 2007. Full model numbers are: 92BA – 0.462 bore, A bell 92BB – 0.462 bore, B bell 94BA – 0.464 bore, A bell 94BB – 0.464 bore, B bell Then to confuse the issue Boosey and Hawkes changed the model numbers from 92/94 to 160/162. On most instruments the gap is highly variable anyway, and there is so much variation between mouthpiece shanks of different brands that it is a lottery which gap you get anyway. Kanstul Besson Meha- excellent! £60.07 postage. The Besson Brevete was a very popular choice for generations of Jazz trumpeters, and was played at various times by artists like Miles Davis, Rafael Mendez (the Olds Mendez was basically a copy of his old Brevete), Lee Morgan, and Fats Navarro. Silver plate finish. The article Kanstul French Besson Meha trumpet has been on sale since Monday January 21 2019. I have 2 letters from the Besson company that states serial #86249 was made in April 1924 and serial #87522/ 87663 made in June 1925. Kanstul has re-made a number of other classic and vintage instruments including: The Burbank Trumpet, which is a remake of the full classic Benge trumpet line Kanstul Chicago series – a remake of some Benge trumpet models One Chicago model (1070) is very similar to the Claude Gordon Benge The Kanstul Mariachi, which is a remake of the famous Conn Connstellation All of these instruments are modern remakes faithful to the originals (and in some cases are arguably better than the originals). As a custom upgrade this would cost $150-$250 alone and is a serious performance upgrade! There are not many of these around and they usually sell for $600-700 used in great condition. The Besson Meha and Brevete lived again (see for loads of good information). 0 Comments Read Now . Create your own unique website with customizable templates. ... Beautiful F. Besson MEHA Trumpet by Kanstul. Usually sell for from $700-$1,200, depending on condition. Often a seller does not know what the model is or how good they are and they sell “under the radar”. £182.67. All existing Kanstul French Besson trumpets have 3, 4 or 5 digit serial numbers (got to about 7,000 by 1998, now at around 40,000). Occasionally you can find one for less, but these are so sought after that a lot of people are looking for bargains so this is getting rarer. A post on TH from a trumpet pro shop noted that the French Besson International was VERY similar to the Kanstul CCT900, only lacking the reverse leadpipe. Even rarer than the 709 and 809 and seldom seen. Very nice & extremely old cornet / trumpet "Besson Paris" Serial number 6209! Year Paris London Trombones 1858 001 1869 001 9695 1870 6 677 1875 17600 751 1876 0 849 1877 948 1878 1038 1879 0 1091 1880 1881 1882 0 1374 1883 1884 0 1657 1885 1886 1887 2 2293 1888 1889 5 2752 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 41 4234 1895 1896 9000 1909 0 1912 9950 1914 1 1 1 1 01 1935 1 1 741116 From 1954, use the Boosey &Hawkes list year London 1986 744000 Last official number? Some are Kanstul made, and some (more recent ones I think) made in the Besson plant in India and they are not easy to tell apart. If you see any of these you can be confident it is a Kanstul instrument. For the money you can’t beat these, especially the ones in silver plate. 1966 600000 Jun. Originally marketed as an “intermediate” model it is intermediate in name only. 1997 8 8 Production moved to Besson plant in Croxley Green (Watford) where Schreiber parts were briefly used (Schreiber and Besson were part of the same company). Kanstul Trumpet Serial Numbers Buescher. Vtg French Besson Brevete BFSSON & Co. PROTOTYPE Carl Fischer TRUMPET Proteano. The innovations in leadpipe design, bell shape, and wrap (the overall shape of the tubing and instrument) resulted in a far superior instrument to the trumpets of the day. Also comes in 2 bore sizes, 0.462 and 0.464. Most modern trumpets are in fact close copies or clones of early 20 th century Besson instruments. The bore is stamped on the valve cluster, and the bell type stamped on the bell tube where it meets the 1 st valve. The Besson Meha was also a very popular choice, being a brighter horn more suitable for lead and big band playing, played by the famous Conrad Gozzo and others. The Najoom reverse leadpipe Stamm models have Najoom receivers which are built over-tight with the intention that the player will have it reamed out to give optimal mouthpiece/ leadpipe gap or use a mouthpiece with a smallish shank diameter. The original F Besson trumpets are said to have been the inspiration for the now professional standard Bach designs, and this is Kanstul's re-release of their take on the classic F. Besson designs. The New Generation Meha was still being sold new from some shops (like Dillon Music) for around $1,200 as recently as 2006, but I think the supply has finally dried up. Purchased from Charles. Amado-style water keys added and lyre holder removed. A: This model Besson C trumpet (sometimes referred to as the Besson Meha C) shipped with three mouthpipes, each marked with a two-digit number to distinguish them from one another. After a very short spell using Schreiber parts, all Bessons were fully made in house at the 2 facilities and continue to. On Ebay it pays to check out EVERY silver plated Besson trumpet to see if it is the International, which is usually stamped on the bell. The serial number of 90652 suggests that it was made shortly after WWII, but the serial numbers on French Bessons are a bit of a mystery, so it is possible that this is a pre-war horn. I purchased it almost new in 2002 0r 2004. I fully expect that in time some of these trumpets will become the collectible trumpets of the 1980s and 1990s. Kanstul Made Besson and French Besson Trumpets The Kanstul made French Besson and Besson trumpets are universally excellent instruments. At this price they are much better value than a used Bach Strad, and are an excellent choice for the orchestral or classical musician. These original French Besson trumpets are now collectors items, and command high prices. I suggest you either leave this model alone or make sure it has the Kanstul or USA markings. Your best bet is to contact Buffet-Crampon for these Bessons, or just rely on the identification info. Buy Besson Bb Trumpets and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! £22.29 postage. Kanstul have confirmed that that still make these for Buffet-Crampon. We believe the valves have been rebuilt at one point. I also have a Besson flugel with a question. There are still French Besson Meha and Brevete trumpets available new, with some called the “New Generation” model. Fast & Free shipping on many items! Another source for information on Besson is the. Only a few shops have the right tools to do a top class job (a tool made by GR mouthpieces, see tutorial page on mouthpiece gap). one printed on paper currency or on a … £18.34 postage. Used Goods Besson Be1000 Adjusted 25. Besson Meha and Brevete – New Generation A more recent design with a Najoom leadpipe and modified bell and are Kanstul made. At that time, unfortunately, a change in production at Kanstul required that the sequence be discontinued. Kanstul Meha Serial Numbers. New in the forum, new with the trumpet. Prices vary hugely for the Kanstul made Besson and French Besson instruments, with prices reflecting their popularity more than their intrinsic value as trumpets. 4. Kanstul Besson Trumpets Besson 609 This was a “student” line instrument that outplays most any student instrument on the market, and are as good as some pro instruments. The Meha and Brevete often sell in the $700-$1,200 range used as they are so well known (although occasionally sell for less), whereas the French Besson Classic or Stamm models generally are slow to sell and don’t reach such high prices. The first digit referred to the mandrel – either the no. I suspect that the Classic and Stamm models will be slow to follow prices upwards as there are fewer of them around, and being such good trumpets people will be less inclined to sell them. Serial number 101, xxx; post war. Kanstul-Besson Loyalist Yes, another copy-cat loyalist site. Model numbers include: Besson 609 Besson 709 Besson 809 Besson 909 French Besson International French Besson Meha French Besson Brevete French Besson Classic French Besson “ Stamm” If you see “ London” anywhere on the instrument it is NOT Kanstul made. The prewar Mehas (approximately serial number 90,000 and prior) are considered more collectible, although both prewar and postwar are eagerly sought after from a playing perspective. I found this info at the. Besson Kanstul made trumpets Kanstul makes great trumpets that sell for premium prices. or Best Offer. or Best Offer. 6 (ML) or the no. The Stamm model standard leadpipes (only) are source unknown at the moment – chances are they are Kanstul made. £887.20. For a long time between WWI and WWII the French Besson trumpets were considered superior to the ones made in London, which is how the French Besson name became famous. My Little Pony Fighting Is Magic Download Demo, Goodgame Empire Hack Free Download No Survey No Password, Learn German With Mnemonics Free Download, Besson International Trumpet Serial Numbers, Cognitive Science Jose Luis Bermudez Pdf To Jpg. Thanks for all those people that contributed to the discussions. Bright silver plate 98 percent. Besson 609 Bb Trumpet. One correspondent said the tone was more suited to chamber music than heavy symphonic playing, but that is often down to the player. F. Besson MEHA Bb Trumpet Serial Number: 24110 This is an F. Besson trumpet made in USA in the Kanstul factory. low serial number. 2003 B&H sell out to The Music Group 2005 (December) Buffet Crampon acquired Besson. The Kanstul ones may or may not have “ USA” stamped on them somewhere – the lack of a USA marking does not indicate a non- Kanstul one to my current knowledge. The French Besson Classic comes with a Najoom leadpipe. I just bought a trumpet, a Besson & Co. 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